In this special episode, we sat down with Bob Gourley, chief technology officer at OODA, and John Mac Ghlionn, researcher and correspondent at the Brownstone Institute. They touch on the Metaverse, what is, how they see it expanding on the global stage going forward, and how bad actors, like China, could get involved. Gourley said, “Nation states like China are already investing in the Metaverse in ways that I believe will help them conduct extreme surveillance of everyone—anybody in the Metaverse, not just their own citizens. And this has a detrimental effect on freedom of speech wherever you are. So this extreme surveillance by hostile nations like China is a key issue. Another is espionage. How do you know who is in a virtual world with you? And what are you safe talking about? Maybe you’re collaborating on your latest business product or service, and unbeknownst to you, someone else is …